Mr Adam Ross

	The last British Neanderthals?	Catastrophism and Cave Men	Cave Men in Historic Times	Miscellaneous
Was there a Gap?	The Flood	Chronology of Neolithic Man		Creation to the Romans

CATASTROPHISM AND CAVE MEN

Mr. Adam Ross ; there is another discussion I would like to have with you and that one is the very last catastrophe from "worlds in collision " and earth in upheaval of which I have good reason to believe that these islands were finally formed after this final catastrophe prior to the pre-Roman iron age in these islands of AM 3500 or 504 BC and according to one of the team this is a forbidden date that I am not supposed to make enquiries into . However more of that later. I would just make one note on that ; and that is that I refuse to have my enquiries impeded or suppressed which is what it amounts to by any one who holds different views to mine. To get back to our discussion on catastrophism I believe that about 1500 BC Venus could well have been a comet which probably resulted in the tidal motion of the north sea flooding part of the coastline which was once part of Britain; and as Bill Cooper rightly says this could have some bearing on the ice age lasting maybe 1000 years or more; but the fact of the matter is the north sea according to the information that I have receded and became dry land again and there were several catastrophes involving venues; and the last one was a fly by of Mars ; (Nergal) the Roman god of war; and the north sea and indeed English channel flooded the dogger bank and other places and finally formed the British Isles. We also have evidence of cavemen in historic times and it would be absurd to shut one's eyes to the fact because archaeologists have found bronze age Paleolithic/Mesolithic and Neolithic implements and weaponry in the north sea. I think that the first time was during the Neolithic period which I have dated at 1484 BC and not without good reason in accordance with Bill Cooper's "After the Flood" which probably flooded part of Ireland at that time. There is however one thing that this author wishes to make absolutely clear. Indeed given the evidence that the Mesolithic industry of which there are abundant remains on Tory Island it is absolutely clear from this evidence alone and secular books I've seen on the subject show that the Mesolithic industry persisted in certain parts of Britain until the end of the Bronze age. The evidence I have found for this comes from Xenophile historian Mr. Charles S Kimball (cave men in historic times and the genesis chronicles). And I would like you as one of the creation history team to respond to this article. I am quite sure there will be some things that we do not agree on and perhaps just as much again that we are agreed upon which makes a discussion. I would like you if you would be so kind as to Give me the dates in between 1104 BC (annomundi 2900) on Ussher's time line and 701 BC (am 3303) for the Firbolgue formores and the first brigade of Picts under King Soderick; and that is basically all I need to know from you apart from your main response to my article. The catastrophic evidence alone demands a shortening of chronology. The evidence I have for this is as follows: First brigade of formores and Neanderthal 2035 BC (am 1969). 2. Annomundi 2520 Parthelon Neolithic industry. 3 Nemedian colony AM 2859 and 1145 BC Bronze industry 4. 1104 BC (Britain) am 2900 Brutus with the introduction of Bronze here on Britain. 5. Dates unknown for the Firbolgue formores and first brigade of Picts until 701 BC . This is number 6. (7) The Milisians take Ireland from the Tuatha de dannan who were there in 701 BC and bring the iron industry to Ireland in 504 BC. The other evidence we have is that (8) in 220 BC we have the La tene Celts with iron and in 100 BC another brigade of Picts. 100 BC=3904 annomundi and from simple arithmetic we get 100 BC +3904 AM =4004 BC. Don't forget there is good reason to believe that Brutus started the Bronze industry on Britain. For one he landed in Totnes 2 his brother was Corenius after whom Cornwall is named . 3 The tin mines (and or copper). and 4 The bridge in London or the "Vauxhall Bridge" is dated at 1500 BC by uniformitarian archaeologists supposedly. Brutus founded London and I suggest that the bridge was built by his dynasty and no one else; so this is why we have to reduce the chronology for the Neolithic industry by 500 plus years ; as Ussher's time line violates just about every uniformitarian date evaluated by modernist archaeologists and this author intends to campaign for a reduction in chronology so far as these islands are concerned until it is achieved. My final word on the subject is that this author does not agree with Mike Gascoigne on his "Forgotten history of the Western People". And also let the author say that Ussher's word is far from irrelevant as some would have us believe; especially where Ireland is concerned. Conclusion: You've seen the evidence and the archaeological evidence which all though on their chronology is plus 300 and odd years to the bronze age actually needs reducing to 1145 for Ireland and 1104 for Britain. The evidence for some might be too radical to contemplate but the author insists must be contemplated until it is achieved no matter how hard the road and as long as the task may take; and this author will not give up and refuses to go away until it is achieved. Is all this evidence circumstantial? I hardly think so. It is a bit like a "who dunnit" or being like Sherlock Homes and Dr Watson. Once you have eliminated the impossible then only the possible remains and so therefore must be the truth. This shows that in this case and especially in the case of Brutus there are just too many co-incidences so if the theory is correct and the facts fit the theory then the theory is no longer theory but fact like it or not. JohnHXF (author)

CATASTROPHES AND BABEL

JXF TO DJ
Dan have you any news on Richard Geer's table ; because I have been left in
the dark over this and would like to know if you are still getting my mail
or perhaps you have been too busy to answer them. I now have the book but I
was too busy getting ready for my vacation. I have sent you lots of
links particularly on the ice age as to a catastrophe at Babel but you do not
seem to have responded. I will take a look. As I say Dr Northrup's idea of
the ice age starting at Babel is exactly the same as my idea only the dates are different and do
not tow as I've said before the "creation party line" one hundred percent
although I agree that the flood was a contributing factor. I have not yet
seen enough conclusive evidence to rule on way or another relating to a
catastrophic occurance triggering the Tower of Babel confusion. I will of
course take a look at your links. There are plenty
of instances in the Old testament for cosmic catastrophes and I for one am
in agreement with Velekovskey in this connection and per Gunnar Heinsohn.
The dates I suggested be investigated were 747 BC ; 1500 BC ; 2242 BC and
especially 687 BC from Ussher's Annals of the World. Why sit on the evidence
or store it in some retrieval system like the evolutionist does. We are not
evolutionist are we? As for calibration on dates: this is also an
uniformitarian notion and is here rejected by this author. Not sure why you
are talking about a retreival system or the dates you have mentioned. The
other point I'd like to mention is why "does Noorbergen add to the Genesis text about
Babel? Is he not adding to something that did'nt actually happen? Good
point! You may be right on. I do not agree with his grid hypothesis and he
is more than likely just plain wrong. These are the sorts of things that
when we read them we wait for additional confirmation with evidence before
we take them "hook line and sinker". The evidence is just plain lacking.
Bruce Cathie has held to similar hypothesis but I think it is likely that
the electromagnetic grid system that these people talk about is sourced from
the occult or an occult revelation. And does
not Genesis make it abundantly clear that there could have been no
migration before Babel Annomundi 1762 or 2242 BC in Ussher's Terms! Not sure
what you are talking about. There had to be migration before Babel since
they first settled in the foothills of Mt. Ararat and later migrated to the
plains of Shinar. They also would have been dependent on metals and other
raw materials sourced from some distance away. Were not
the people before Babel simply the remnant of the "World Language group" and
that indeed they built a city and a tower first in defiance of God's command
to disperse? and that the "Whole earth at that time was simply the near or
middle Eastern remnent of the people who were destroyed in the flood? Not
sure what you mean by this. That
is my understanding of the bible and indeed so is it of Larry Pierce. John

FLOODING AT THE BLACK SEA

John Hext-Fremlin wrote:
Dan you'll find more on the black sea flood from Mike Fischer:- John

MF TO JXF:
I came across another paper you might be
interested in concerning Black Sea flooding.
This one was published in 2003 in Annual
Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences by
a researcher from Lamont-Doherty and two
French researchers. The proposition of
catastrophic flooding of the Black Sea has
been challenged since the Russian-American
expedition in 1993 (with follow-up reports
to 1999), and this 30 page review defends
it. Their date for the event is 8400 Before
Present, earlier than that of the report I told
you about previously. They acknowledge
that further evidence from core drilling would
build a tighter case. We may have to wait
for that to have higher confidence in the
conclusion. Let me know if you would like to
know more details of their analysis.

DJ TO JXF:

The date of 8000+ before present is obviously off. See what you can pull
out of it for evidence for a much later date. What we should see is that
the archeological evidence should match up with a much later period of time,
perhaps between 1000 to 2000 BC. What do you think and why?

MF TO JXF:

From what I can find, radiocarbon dates
in the mainstream literature for Neanderthal
are no earlier than about 30,000 BC. I
doubt a journal editor would publish a report
that dated a Neanderthal artifact at 3,000 BC,
because he would assume it was bogus. That
does not mean recent artifacts do not exist,
just that they would have been "swept under
the rug". If you can get a lead on such a
hidden treasure, I will see if there is a lab
record, as we did previously. Good hunting.
Mike Fischer