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The purpose of this site is a re-evaluation of British/ Irish ancient histories in the light of a creation model; from the creation of the world in 4004 BC through to the flood
JXF TO LP
> On 20 January 2012 11:46, john hext-fremlin
> wrote:
>> Larry did not Misraem found Egypt in 2189/2188 BC? So would'nt this
>> make Misraem the first Pharoe of Egypt. There seems to me to be some
>> confusion here because as Emmet Sweeny and Isaac Newton both sugest
>> that the first dynasty was arround 1100 BC or perhaps by your
>> chronology 1121 BC (You may be correct). But what about Nimrod who
>> founded Babel in 2234 BC. Note these dates are in Ussher's Annals.
>> Hence moving the Old Kingdom Pharoes to the "New Kingdom"
John
>
LP TO JXF
> There is scarcely any wriiten history before 1100 BC so any conject is
> just as valid as another.
> Thank you for everything.
Ogyges and Ducallion
JXF to DW
Hi Darrell who exactly was Ogyges and who was Ducallion? Were they one
and the same person? and when did the flood of OGyges occurr and when
exactly did the flood of Ducallion occur? Did this happen according to
Larry's chronology at some time after 1121 BC or was one of them at
the time of the Ice age melt down in 1491 BC at the time of the
Exodus? I am just finishing my last and final chapter on the ancient
Etruskans (who according to the book were of Greek stock) and then I
will seriously look at and review Newton's work. John
DW to JXF
John,
A great deal of confusion exists in dating these according to accounts in the ancient chroniclers (AC's).
Some AC's id Ogyges as Noah and others confuse Ogyges with a flood in Attica dated by some AC's to
around 1764 BC (based on some bad chronological assumptions in my opinion).
Ducallion (sp) is usually associated with the timeframe of about 1500 BC. I associate that flood with
the rapid melting of the Glacier created by the Ice Age and the time period of 1491 BC. This flood
is the same as the Attica flood (confused above) based on the research I have done.
Darrell
Some Serious Problems with Newton's Revised History
JXF to DW
Hi Darrell is there
any truth in the matter that Manetho invented some of the Egyptian history.
Larry Pierce alleges and so does Newton that Manetho added to the list of
Pharoes ruling Egypt. We have a pretty concrete chronology for Egypt and the
Midle East as per industries chart etc.
One of the problems is that Larry Pierce brings the reign of Queen Semiramis
into Recent "Ancient History " in the New Kingdoms about 700 plus
years BC and that 2) Sesostrice is supposedly Herculese and also "Osiris".
(How confuding is that?) There seems to be some confusion here between Nimrod
who also had a world empire but that Larry Pierce alledges ownly had a small
empire confined to the Ufratees and Tigris Rivers and gives Shishack the credit
for having a world empire>
What of the "Troglodytes" he mentions having helped Shishack against
the Libians ie with an army of Troglodytes and Egyptian soldiers.
He also brings Atlas and Sidon into the New kingdoms.
We also have historical evidence that Partholan came to Ireland in 2035 BC with
his Neolithic coloney so how can Newton say that both Britain and Ireland were
uninhabitted before what Larry Pierce calls the "invention " of
maritime shipping etc. This is absolute nonsense on Newton's part simply as you
say Darrell because he did'nt listen to the ancient chroniclers. Question is how
far can we trust Manetho and Diodurus Siculis as reliable chroniclers.
Thus I have invested a lot of time in our history project and do not really want
to compromise my industries charts; unless I do one based on Newton's Revised
History as an alternative chart just for the sake of curiosity. We both know
that the word "Troglodyte= Cave Dweller and the ones mentioned by Larry
Pierce lived in the desert.
I cannot agree with Larry Pierce's date for Wandering "Cimerians and
Scythians" living in caves as protection from wild animals in all of Europe
arround 1121 BC which in conclusion to me is nonsense. John
DW to JXF
I will out of town next week, so I will make a quite reply.
Newton denounces Manetho because it utterly contradicts his hypothesis.
Yet (I believe, but would have to verify this) most of his list has been
confirmed by Archeologist. So much information has been gathered that in
many cases Egyptologists can put together geneologies which confirm the sequence
in Manetho. So Newton's hypothesis is nonsense. I suggest you do a
study to see just how many Pharaoh's in Manetho list have distinct sites
confirming them and then see how many of those confirmed Pharaoh's are missing
from Newton. Obviously, those true-believers will have to totally
discredit all modern archeology to continue their stance - and some will.
Additionally, if no Pharaoh's until about David's time, then who was the Pharaoh
of Joseph or of Abraham's time? OR do we bring Joseph's time down to 1200
BC? etc. It is clearly nonsense unworthy of consideration in my mind.
Both Diodorus and Manetho appear to have tried to write up their records as
accurately as possible.
I have not heard such relative to Shishack, nor do I care to study this
non-sense. My first guess is Newton, after equating Osiris, Sesos (Sesostris
III by my ID), and Shishack, interchanges information about the three.
Many scholars do - ie Anstey.
There was three distinct Semiramis', one did live about 700 BC. Newton
asserts that all three where one and the same. Chronological information
(and historical setting) clearly differentiates them. ie Semiramis I
started here rule 312 years after the flood in the time of Abraham. Newton
must discard this (as he does muchof what the chronicler say) or else 700 BC +
312 yrs = Great Flood about 1012BC and of course Abraham would have to live
about 740 BC. Newton has so much wrong (because of his starting assumption
being wrong) that one hardly knows where to start.
Darrell
More Problems with Newton...
WC and JXF
Hi Bill Just thought I'd like to mention the fact that I have purchased a new book from Answers in Genesis called Newton's Revised History of Ancient Kingdoms editted by Larry and Marrion Pierce which I find interesting but very confusing.
What is it that Larry is asking us to believe? Is he saying that after the flood and what's more to the point particularly after the despersion at Babel that most races appart from the Israelites had writing which Newton alledges ownly happened about one thousand years or so after the flood.
I simply cannot believe that all races appart from Irael lost all technology and decended into the stone age cultures we hear so much about; for the simple reason I have invested so much of my time with Darrell White who has given me a pretty concrete chronology which is also Ussherian chronology from the Ancient Chroniclers.
Newton is also trying to tell us that Britain and Ireland were not inhabbitted untill the "Re-invention of Navigation and writing" Thus I am sugesting that what Newton says is complete Nonsense and does not reconcile with the facts which are revealed in the genealogies and particularly so in Ireland where we have evidense of "Neolithic " Dry stone Walling " and aggricultural farming land &c.
Thus they came here to Ireland 313 yrs after the flood in 2035 BC and fought a battle 10 yrs latter with a tribe of Huntergatherers in 2025 BC with Cichol and the formors from Skara Brae in Orcney. I think that this is a pretty sound testimoney in conclusion to all the time I have invested with Darrell.
John
All I can say, John is, You're right! Ignore Newton in this, but glean him for genuine info elsewhere in the book. God bless!
Bill
Newton and the Ice Age
JXF to LP
Hi Larry where exactly in your book would you reconcile the Ice age
>> with Newton's work? And I mean by this the end of the Ice Age? I know
>> that some work I have done with you you aggree that the Ice age
>> started arround 2242 BC and that the Neanderthals/Cromgnon were
>> wandering arround Europe between the above date and according to
>> Newton's work arround 1121 BC. Was not Atlantice or Egypt flooded by
>> Ice age waters after the Ice age meltdown at the time of the Exodus
>> in
>> 1491 BC wgen the Israelites crossed the "Red Sea" and Pharoe and all
>> his host were drowned.
>> If what Newton is saying is true then I will have to ammend
>> everything that is on my website www.johnhextfremlin.com What I have
>> found interesting in Newton's work are the four ages the silver age
>> the golden age the copper Bronze and Iron ages. I would suspect that
>> Cadmus and his men would have had metal and perhaps also stone tools
>> for some things. I would like to use some of these terms in future
>> reffrence to any possible new industries chart. Can you advise me on
>> this Larry? John
>
We do not have sufficient information to know what happened in early history.
Larry
Thank you for everything.
Ogyges and Ducallion
Hi Darrell who exactly was Ogyges and who was Ducallion? Were they one and the same person? and when did the flood of OGyges occurr and when exactly did the flood of Ducallion occur? Did this happen according to Larry's chronology at some time after 1121 BC or was one of them at the time of the Ice age melt down in 1491 BC at the time of the Exodus? I am just finishing my last and final chapter on the ancient Etruskans (who according to the book were of Greek stock) and then I will seriously look at and review Newton's work. John
John,
A great deal of confusion exists in dating these according to accounts in the ancient chroniclers (AC's).
Some AC's id Ogyges as Noah and others confuse Ogyges with a flood in Attica dated by some AC's to around 1764 BC (based on some bad chronological assumptions in my opinion).
Ducallion (sp) is usually associated with the timeframe of about 1500 BC. I associate that flood with the rapid melting of the Glacier created by the Ice Age and the time period of 1491 BC. This flood is the same as the Attica flood (confused above) based on the research I have done.