Re-evaluation of Ancient Man in Britain
|Was there a Gap?||The last British Neanderthals?||Catastrophism
and Cave Men
|Cave Men in Historic Times||The giant race
of the Formorians
|Dating the Exodus||Miscellaneous||Links||Division in the days of Peleg 2247 BC|
|Ancient Man in Britain||Book Reviews|
|Hu Gadarn Joshua and the Welsh Triads||Building Stonehenge||Neanderthal origins?||Towards a new Chronology||After the Flood||The Colonisation of Ireland||A stone age find by the Author.||The Genesis X Files||Were the Nordic peoples originally Canaanites?|
|Brutus and the Trojan War||Neanderthal Nephilim?||Ice Age|
This author was inspired by Stuart Piggott's "Neolithic Cultures of the British Isles" and Donald A. Mackenzie's "Ancient Man in Britain", two excellent books focused on Britain's supposed past, from prehistoric to Roman times.
Below is a summary of British history from my Main Industries chart which can be found in the section "Chronology of Neolithic Man - part two". As a prefatory note, I have decided to confine this study to showing how the exact chronology of Ussher compares to conventional historic dates starting from 3900-4000 BC (2295 BC Ussher). As you can see on the JPG Graph, linear correspondence does not extend beyond 2295 BC Ussher (3900-4000 BC Conventional). Regarding earlier Carbon-14 dates attributed to the biblical Flood and ancient ice ages that lie outside the JPG Graph coordinates, I have been advised that Young Earth Creationists have invalidated these dates for historical purposes.
It should therefore be born in mind in this connection that a total of only 6000 conventional years is acknowledged by this author.
This Author is a follower of Stuart Piggot's "Neolithic Cultures of the British Isles; and Mr Donald A Macenzie's "Ancient Man in Britain" which are two very exelent books focussed on Britain's supposed Pre-historic past to the Romans.
This is a Sumary of British history from my main industries chart at my website http://www.johnhextfremlin.com. For the Main Industries chart please go to "Chronology of "Neolithic Man"" part two. As a Preforatory note the auther has decided to confine himself to conventional dates showing the Ussher exact chronology match up startimg from 3900-4000 BC (2295 BC) as per linear JPG Graph which will not allow me to go any further than this as the top date 2295 BC lies on the straight line of co-ordinates of 3900-4000 BC.
Please bear in mind in this connection that Flood Related Radio Carbon /14 dates such as 10,000 and 48,000 BC for supposed ancient ice ages for the Flood do not match up on the JPG Graph co-ordinates and I have been advised that YEC's have invalied these dates for historical purposes. Thus 48,000 BC=2349/2348 BC Flood Date.
It should therefore be borne in mind in this connection that only a total of 6000 conventional years wnly is here allowed by this author
Evaluation as per linear JPG Graph (below):-
Events...........................Exact Ussher Date......................Conventional Great Flood.........................2348 BC
End of Flood Pre-dynastic Neolithic/Bronze/ Iron and Steel Industries............................2347 to 2189/2188 BC
First world Surveys Neolithic/Bronze/Iron and steel industries also Neolithic explorers and farmers to Britain..........................2265 BC-2295 BC...............3900-4000 BC
Peleg Devision Madai finds his land covered in ice and explores Britain (Genesis appocraphon) and Cromagnon Palaeolithic Huntergatherers Sidon mines for copper and tin in what is now Cornwall.................................2247 BC.........................3400 BC
Ootzy the iceman explores Germany in the Alps (Neolithic/ Copper)and start of Babel..........................................2235/2234 BC................3300 BC
Cichol Gricenchos bourne 2250 BC and becomes mature leader of Formorei Huntergatherers at 25 and lands in Northwest Scotland plus hunting grounds maybe in Ireland..................................2225 BC (compromise would suggest)
Despersion from Babel and possible Ice Planet flyby and start of Ice age witnessed by Job...................................2191 BC
Misraem founds Egypt Dynasty one (eb1) and Neolithic groups under Cichol Gricenchos found and colonise the village of Skara Brae.........................2189/2188 BC...............3215 BC
Samothes (Meschec) Neolithic groups and huntergatherers in Britain..........................2135 to 2082 BC
Albion Son of Sidon invade and rule Britain and maybe has some Neanderthals in his team................................................2082 to 2038 BC
Albion is slain and defeated by Nimrod's general in France "Herculese" and 310 years after the flood Samothes Neolithic groups colonise Britain with first possible construction of Stone Henge......................................,2038 BC........................3000 BC
Parthelonian Neolithic groups colonize Ireland...................................2035 BC........................3000 BC
Partholan engages Cichol and the formorei (Picts) at Battle of Magithe and Skara Brae abandoned......................................2025 BC.......................about 2655 BC
The Amesbury archer Late Neolithic/ Early Bronze called by archaeologists "The Bell Beaker Culture" found buriedwith two copper daggers some gold and 15 flint arrowheads came from
Switzerland after the defeat of Albion in the city building era from France via the Rhone valley and the second construction of stone henge probably started at this time......................................1960 BC..............2300 BC
Exodus and Ice age meltdown.....................................................1491 BC
(From 2191 to 1491
=700 years for the Ice age as per Mike Oard)
Re-introduction of the Bronze Industry (eb1) when Hu Gadarn came to the "Honey islands" (Britain) and found there living water monsters when he first penetrated it’s uninhabited forests and silent planes..............................1421/1365 BC
Brutus colonizes Britain and fights rement of cananite giants while Goamagot is reserved to wrestle with Corenius who throws him off a cliff.....................................................1152 BC ALTERATION: This date is now revised to 1118 BC as the date of the Trojan war is 1184 BC
Late Bronze......................................722-585 BC
Line of British Kings ends and re-introduction of Iron Industry.................................585-549 BC
Morindus King of Britain (Iron A)..............................549-546 BC
Iron B:- The Latene Celts in Britain...........................................330-300 BC
The Two invasions of Julius Caesar..............................55 and 54 BC Conquest of Britain under Claudius................................AD 43
Queen Boadicea and the Iceni Revolt against Roman rule under Nero and burn and sack Colchester...................................AD 61
Angles, Saxons and Jutes attack Britain as the Picts were always a problem for the Romans throughout the period of Roman Rule and the Legions are called back to Rome to defend it against attacks from the Goths Vandels and huns.....................................AD 410
End of Historical Summary.
Please note everyone that this work is only a summary of the historical events covered by the main industries chart at my website;
For those interested in reviewing my table also please click the icon Chronology of "Neolithic Man" Part two for the main chart.
Thus it should be bourne in mind in this connection that the terms "Palaeolithic Man" "Neolithic Man" "Bronze age Man" Iron age Man &c mean little or nothing to this Author but the term "Neolithic Man" is an invention of my brother who is loathed to get rid of some of these evolutionary "Rubber Goal Post Terms" who very kindly helped me set up my website.
Thus for my money the term if you like Neolithic/Bronze/Iron and Steel industries is most definitely my invention but I think it is a good one which is against the usual labels of evolutionists
Thus the main reason for putting this table together is the fact that I thought that it is about time an honest re-evaluation of British ancient history was and is overdue and it must be achieved this author insists. The main reason thus in summary is to match up historical
conventional chronology from archaeological sites with the exact Ussher dates starting from 4000 BC (2295)
Of particular interest in this connection is the fact that some sites in Palastine date from 4000 BC according to conventional schollars which they call the Archaeological "Chalcolithic" a term which this author rejects and in itsplace Neolithic /Bronze/Iron and Steel.
Thus in Summary then the terms Palaeolithic "Neolithic" "Bronze/Iron and Steel are confined by this author to industries ownly and not ages and are usefull labels when dealing with historical sites and cultures.
Thus these labels are the only labels here allowed by this author.
JXF to BILL COOPER
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM, John hext-fremlin wrote:
Dear Bill I am delighted to say that my Re-evaluation Document and jpg linear correspondence is up and running and has been published on my website. To view document please click the icon "Re-evaluation of Ancient Man in Britain".
I have printed and copied Donovan Courville's chart pertaining to the "Exodus Problem" which is on my website at http://www.johnhextfremlin.com/ and would like to point out that he Courville uses the "Thiel chronology" for his conventional 10,000 BC=2300 BC as far as the Pre-dynastic period in Egypt is concerned and thus as a result he is way off by 47 Years which added to 2300=2347 BC on the Ussher chronology.
The book of Genesis insists as do I that from 2347 to 2189/2188 BC as far as Egypt is concerned is what archaeologists call Pre-dynastic thus the matching conventional date needs to be 10,000 BC=2347 BC by adding 47 Years to the Thiel chronology thus 2300+47=2347 BC in Ussher's correct chronology which would cover the whole period (as well as the first world survey teams 2295 BC] up to and including 2189/2188 BC (Founding of Egypt by Misraem which is the first dynasty) so I need to stress that Iam very thourough with my Ussher chronology and leave no stone "unturned.
However as far as the chronology document and jpg linear correspondence goes very kindly sent to me by Mike Fischer I cannot go beyond 2295 BC as the linear correspondence will not let me exeed that date, accept to mention the conventional 10,000 BC dating in the text ownly but most definitely not in the chart to match2347 BC.
Darrell White has also pointed out that as far as RC/14 dates are concerned the nearer the flood date 2348 BC the steeper the callibreation curve. Thus I would make an urgent request as far as the historic Genesis narrative is concerned to change Courville's conventional dating to 10,000 BC=2347 BC. Do you think Bill that this could be achieved by the Creation Science Movement? John
BILL COOPER to JXF
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:40 PM, W COOPER wrote:
The chap who did have expertise in this field is now no longer with us. But he did use to refer to Barry Setterfield's work on the speed of light. Setterfield found that if you extrapolated backwards the decay of the speed of light, then at about 4000 BC the exponential curve goes off the scale. In other words, the speed of light was infinite at the Creation. The speed of light profoundly affects the decay rate of C14. I have no references for you right now (I'm in the middle of researching Joshua), but Google Barry Setterfield (Australian) and you will find references to follow up. Hope this helps.
Bill Cooper PhD ThD
Vice President Creation Science Movement
Adjunct Professor Master Faculty ICR School of Biblical Apologetics
JXF to BILL COOPER
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:12 AM, John hext-fremlin wrote:
Dear Bill most interesting and many thanks for this. Thus this must be part of the reason why the linear correspondence will not let me exeed the the conventional date of 4000 BC which in our terms is 2295 BC for the earliest world survey teams. By the way Bill I wish you very good hunting into your research on Joshua. John
THE MYSTERY OF THE PICTS
(JXF AND MF)
Keith Hunt presents a most fascinating analysis of the question: who were the Picts? The many linguistic connections are creative and surprising, as is the symbol of intertwined serpents on a cross. He concludes that
"They were presumably a branch of the primitive small-statured, narrow-browed and long-headed dark race of matriarchist Serpent-worshipping cave-dwellers... who, in early prehistoric times in the Old Stone Age, sent off from this central hive swarm after swarm of "hunger-marchers" under matriarchs, westwards across Asia Minor to Europe, as far as Iberia and the Biscay region, after the retreating ice. The hordes, which ultimately reached Albion overland, formed there the "aborigines" of Albion. They appear to have entered Southern Albion by the old land-bridge at Kent, after the latter end of the last glacial period, when the reindeer, mammoth and woolly rhinoceros still roamed over what is now called England. And then, long ages afterwards, in the late Stone Age, presumably before 2000 B.C., they gave off a branch to Erin under a Van, Ban or Fian matriarch, forming the aborigines of Ireland.
I wonder two things. First, are there today, perhaps in northern Britain, people who display dark skin, short stature, long heads, and narrow brows? Second, if there was a Phoenician heritage, would not they have tended to travel by sea rather than march overland to Europe and cross a land-bridge to Britain? There does not appear to have been a nautical tradition among the Picts.
The complete disappearance of the Picts around 850 A.D. is not even in the deep mist of the past, yet it is a mystery in itself. How much greater are the difficulties of your search into 1000 B.C., 2000 B.C, and beyond. For that I wish you good hunting.
Subject: Re: A very interesting article on the Picts by Keith Hunt SOS
Dear Mike I have found a very interesting article on the Picts (Formorei) by Keith Hunt. According to Keith Hunt there were Ancient Phoenicians whom by his dating arrived in Britain about 2800 BC (Would this be about 2082 BC for the arrival of Albion?) I suspect so.
It seems that the Phoenicians were in possession of the tin mines in Cornwall even at this early date. It's interesting that if so the Phoenicians used Bronze sparingly and made flint tools for the purpose of mining for metals and keeping the technology a closely guarded secret from the natives of this country.
Please let me know what you think of this article Mike; Meanwhile good hunting John
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:34 PM, John hext-fremlin <email@example.com> wrote:
Note Keith Hunt suggests they were enslaved by the Phoenicians on his chronology about 2800 BC (Would this be about 2082 BC time of Albion and Bergeon?) apparently Bergeon ruled Ireland and the Orkneys. John
The popular definition of the Fomorians on Wikipedia is "In Irish mythology, the Fomoire (or Fomorians) are a semi-divine race said to have inhabited Ireland in ancient times. They may have once been believed to be the beings who preceded the gods, similar to the Greek Titans. They seem to represent the gods of chaos and wild nature, as opposed to the Tuatha Dé Danann who represent the gods of human civilization." The Encyclopedia Mythica entry at http://www.pantheon.org/articles/f/fomorians.html says "In Irish-Celtic mythology, the Fomorians are a race of demonic giants, ancient occupants of Ireland (or sometimes mentioned as a mythical, prehistoric people who raided and pillaged Ireland from the sea). The first to invade Ireland were the Partholons, but after many battles the Fomorians afflicted them all with plague. After them came the Nemeds, who in their very first battle were defeated and enslaved. The third wave of invaders, the Firbolgs, were more successful and they subdued the Fomorians and managed to live peacefully with them. After a period of peace, the Tuatha Dé Danann, the Irish race of gods, arrived. They conquered the Firbolgs, but dealt more subtly with the Fomorians, although they destroyed their hegemony over Ireland for good in the second battle of Mag Tuireadh. The Fomorians were given the province of Connacht, and were even allowed to marry some of the Tuatha Dé. The king of the Fomorians is the one-eyed Balor."
From your investigations, how do these representations square with the truth?
As you predicted several years back, the "official" view of Neanderthals has changed, and continues to change, in the direction of increased humanity. Their cultural level, technological ability, integration with "modern" humans, position in pre-history, and even their appearance are being upgraded. I agree that the history you developed shows Neanderthals to be extremely enterprising. Mainstream opinion is still a long way from seeing Neanderthals as Canaanites, but the door is more open now than before to evidence related to Neanderthals. Admittedly, it will take some work to show them as mariners. Regarding their height, 5' 4" does not seem to be particularly short for ancient people.
It is clear Keith Hunt uses the conventional chronology. The value of his contribution would rest in the associations he finds among language and peoples rather than dates.
In the end, evidence always beats convention.
Subject: Re: A very interesting article on the Picts by Keith Hunt SOS
Dear Mike I have taken a brief look at chapter ten and Keith Hunt confirms that the picts or abouriginees of Britain and Ireland (though more specially Northern Scotland and Skara Brae 2189/2188 BC) were in fact the formors so if you click on to the previous chapter you will find I am correct.
Thus it would have been impossible for Sessair to have arrived in Ireland shortly before the flood as everything was destroyed. More likely I suggest at the time of division in Peleg's day probably about 2247 BC to claim her fishing grounds I suggest in Ireland until when Cichol (the Footless which is to do with the serpent) arrived In Ireland in 2225 BC to commence hunting and gathering and fowling and fishing 200 years before battle of Magithe with Partholan in 2025 BC. Please note Mike Keith hunt is wrong about Partholan arriving in 400 BC because he arrived in Ireland in 2035 BC. These are the dates given me by Darrell .
Of further particular interest in this connection is the fact that the Neanderthals were short and stocky (and called giants in strength Neanderthal/Nephilim) and measured about 5 feet and four inches tall and used red ochre paint (found at Skara Brae) and match up with the same stature and hight of the Picts or Formors
Dear Sir first let me say that I ownly attatched the linear
correspondence or if you prefur "Linear Graph. However I realised that it
would be incompletewithout the full industries chronology chart thus that is
the reason why the linear graph shows twice on the email as I was having
problems with my lap top trying to attatch the full chronology and linear
correspondence from my website http://www.johnhextfremlin.
Traditionary Annals of the British Cymry
Having presented all the updated chronology as it applies to Britain Ireland Northwest Europe &c I would like to present a new chart headed under the Traditionary annals of the Cymry starting with Partholans arrival in Ireland in 2035 BC having in mind that all the other dates have been dealt with so the new chart would look something like this. Although it might be an idea to show the summary chart plus the chronology we already have. So here it is:
2348 BC.Great Flood
2035 BC Partholan arrives Ireland 313 years after the flood. (312 years in the book od invasions)(Neolithic industries)
2025 BC Battle of Magithe with Cichol
2024 BCstart of 269 years dominion over Ireland
1755 BC plague-wasteland for 30 years
1725 BC Nemed arrives rules for 216 years (217 in the book of invasions
1508 BC Battles with Formorians
1504 BC Last of three battles Ireland without a king for 200 years
1354 BC Longstrife Battle with formorians
1304 BC After 200 years Firbolgue (eb1) rule Ireland for37 years
1267 BC Firbolgue battle with twarthy de danan (Long strife)
1240 BC Firbolgue power eliminated. Twarthy de Danan rule for 197 years
1043 BC Son of Miles arrives and expell twarthy de Danan from power (12th year of King David
British ancient history from re-introduction of Bronze industry
1365 BC abouts Hu Gadarn arrives Britain uninhabited but are called the Honey islands
1184 BC Trojian war
1118 BC after 66 years Brutus arrives in Britain (Brutus expells caananite giants from Britain and their leader Gogmagog is thrown over a cliff by Corenius
728/722 BC Late Bronze
585 to 549 BC Line of British kings ends with reintroduction of Iron industry
549 to 546 BC Morindus king of Britain iron a
330-300 BC the Latene celts in Britain iron b
55 and 54 BC two invasions of Julius Caesar
AD 43 conquest of Britain under Claudius
AD 61 The iceni revolt against Roman rule and sack Colchester
Angles Saxons and Jutes attack Brittain also the Picts as they were a problen to the Romans throughout the preiod of Roman rule
AD 410 The Roman Legions leave Britain as Rome is threatened by the Huns and Goths.
DW to JXF (Email from Darrel White)
When I attempt to find a date for ancient events I search for original durations, synchronisms, or other ancient clues - some ancient reference which allows me to estimate or determine a date. I never accept the speculation of modern chronologists as worthy of consideration unless they specify how (from ancient sources) they came up with their estimates. Obviously 500 to 700 BC is totally out of line and I am confident that author did not show how he came to that conclusion.
However, I looked at "re-evaluation of ancient man" at your site and have two comments:
1) I think the best date for Brutus is 1118 BC.
I know of only 3 or 4 credible ancient clues for the date.
a) 1200 years after the Flood or 2348 BC - 1200 years = 1148 BC. [Rough Estimate - better than 1152 BC]
I assume the above is a rounded off number and could easily be as much as plus or minus 30 to 40 years off.
b) The specified 66 years after Troy. 1184 BC - 66 years = 1118 BC. [most precise]
c) synchronised to the time the High Priest Eli was judge in Israel, and when the Ark of the Covenant was taken by the Philistines. Historia Britonum 7, 10-11 According to FN Jones, the Ark was taken in either 1122 or 1121 BC (when Eli died hearing about it). [Synchronisms can easily be a few years off. but this is fairly precise.]
Also Bill Cooper using genealogical generation estimates come up with 1104 BC for Brutus. However generations estimates can also be off by 5 to 10 years per generation - [another rough estimate, but I think better than the 1200 year rough estimate.]
Base on the more precise clues, a date between 1121 BC and 1118 BC is probably the best. I would choose 1118 BC, since it is the only precise duration given and fits well with the synchronism and generational estimates.
Conclusion: Until further credible information is found, I would now suggest changing Brutus to arriving in 1118 BC.
2) My chart (after considerable thought) has the date for the Flood starting in Dec. of 2349 BC. FN Jones and Ussher both specify 2348 BC. My date is based on Hindu ancient records specifying the precise number of days from Creation and is likely to be more accurate than a duration based in years used by Jones and Ussher. However, we should use 2348 BC.
Conclusion: I think it is best to keep it at 2348 BC as you have it. The difference is insignificant.
Did the "Beaker Folk" come to Britain about 4500 years ago?
A recent study suggests that Britain’s Neolithic farmers (who left behind massive rock relics, including Stonehenge) were elbowed out by Beaker invaders. Some archaeologists say that the study does not prove the scale of the British Beaker invasion, but agree that it is a major work that typifies how huge ancient-DNA studies are disrupting archaeology. It’s “groundbreaking”, says Benjamin Roberts, an archaeologist at Durham University, UK
Read the full article in NATURE, vol 545, 18 May 2017